MEET:RUE OBERKAMPF interview by Involucija & photos by Grzegorz Bacinski & Izabella Chrobok

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interview rueoberkampf by grzegorz Bacinski and Izabella chrobok photos by keyi studio berlin
interview rueoberkampf by grzegorz Bacinski and Izabella chrobok photos by keyi studio berlin
interview rueoberkampf by grzegorz Bacinski and Izabella chrobok photos by keyi studio berlin
interview rueoberkampf by grzegorz Bacinski and Izabella chrobok photos by keyi studio berlin
interview rueoberkampf by grzegorz Bacinski and Izabella chrobok photos by keyi studio berlin
interview rueoberkampf by grzegorz Bacinski and Izabella chrobok photos by keyi studio berlin
interview rueoberkampf by grzegorz Bacinski and Izabella chrobok photos by keyi studio berlin

Founded at the end of 2016 by three DJs, the band combines 80s extasy with the atmosphere of fog- shrouded, strobe-lit dance temples of the techno era. The combination of urban electronic music’s gritty drive with Julia’s French-German vocals reminds some critics of a more forceful version of Deux or Kirlian Camera: yet at the same time it creates something entirely original. Rue Oberkampf forges a bridge between cold wave, synthpunk, EBM and techno. Their live shows pull audiences into a maelstrom of sound, neon and storms of light.

该乐队由三名DJ于2016年底创立,将80年代的迷幻与科技舞曲时代的氛围、闪光灯照明的舞池结合在一起。城市电子音乐的坚毅动力与茱莉亚的法德混音相结合,让一些评论家想起了Deux或Kirlian Camera更有力的版本:但与此同时,它创造了一些完全原创的东西。Rue Oberkampf在冷波、合成朋克、EBM和techno之间架起了一座桥梁。他们的现场表演把观众拉进了声音、霓虹灯和灯光风暴的漩涡中。

How did you meet?

Julia: I first saw Damien and Michael in a club in Passau called Camera when I was fourteen years old. But we really talked and got to know each other many years later.

Michael: Damien and I know each other for a long time, but started jamming with analogue synthesizers four or five years ago, then Julia joined. The project Rue Oberkampf exists for three years now. 

Julia: Before that we had an event that we put up together, it was called The Gallow Dance.  It happened in Munich and Passau. We were all dj’s and that’s how we started hanging out together. 

Michael: During the last event we also put synthesizers and drum machines  on the stage and had a little jam session together. 

콱角等척훰街돨?

聾쟌輿(Julia):14鋸컸쾨,乖뒤寧늴瞳탕寧소츰槨Camera돨얇있꼬숨법댐쵠람(Damien)뵨찢옹랑(Michael)。뎃角,乖쳬뎠珂쏵契죄슥見,깻瞳뜩쾨빈궤늪죄썩。

찢옹랑:댐쵠람뵨乖훰街붤씹죄,뎃角愷,巧쾨품역迦던淪북냥포寧폅鯤,횔빈聾쟌輿속흙죄。 Rue Oberkampf 淃커커품綠쒔닸瞳죄힛쾨。

聾쟌輿(Julia):瞳늪裂품,乖쳬앨곗죄寧몸삶땡,냔槨 “십솥校”。 劍랙瞳캭콩붚뵨탕。 乖쳬떼角dj,侶앎角乖쳬寧폅jam뵨앨곗삶땡돨폡샙。

찢옹랑:瞳寧쎌궐힙櫓,乖쳬뻘쉥북냥포뵨뮬샙렴瞳죄校憩,깻쏵契죄寧硅鬼鬼돨북犁。

Do you agree on the musical influences that you want to bring to the project – or do you fight about it? 

Julia: We never fought about the things we create or want to put into music. We bring different influences to the project, but the core influence we all bring in is independent dark underground music and EBM.

Michael: I like techno a lot and all that electronic stuff coming out of the late 90s Electroclash. Before that i was in indie/punk and industrial music. My gothic phase was actually pretty short. Currently, my favorite artists are Schwefelgelb, Xeno and Oaklander and I Hate Models. The kick drums from I Hate Models are really special and I quite like them. 

Damien: My influences are post-punk, little bit of early death rock, dark electro like Skinny Puppy and Front Line Assembly and EBM like Front 242, Pouppee Fabrikk and Nitzer Ebb.

Michael: I think what connects us all is DAF.

Julia: We all love DAF. I also had a long Clan of Xymox phase when I was young. Before that I was into metal. During my music school I got influences from classic music and jazz. Later I had a long EBM phase. 

I noticed a more minimal wave sound in your first album but now you’ve moved into contemporary dark techno.

Julia: Yes, we had this minimal wave phase. It changed over time and I’m curious what will happen on our next album.

퀭宅겝주唐뜩돨楮고? 콱삔흔부췄甘侶쟁돨끝쒼긴뺏? 퀭角뤠훰槨겝주뚤퀭돨俱多제옵콘삔슉됴? 퀭삔痰페儉훨부냘懇혤덜劍찐?

聾쟌輿(Julia):乖쳬닒윱청唐槨눼芚샀拳狼尻흙稜있돨慤膠랍濫。乖쳬못淃커던윱죄꼇谿돨緞捲,뎃角乖쳬던윱돨뵙懃緞捲角뗌접돨붚갠뒈苟稜있뵨EBM。

찢옹랑:乖렷끽毆뻑techno,鹿섟杰唐90쾨덜칫Electroclash끓돨든綾끓틔。瞳늪裂품,乖눼鱗돨쥴堵寧겹橄黨뗌접/툉옹뵨묏撚稜있。乖돨며景珂퍅茄셥붤똬。커품,乖離毆뻑돨論減소角Schwefelgelb,Xeno뵨Oaklander뵨I Hate Models。乖훰槨친욥북냥포齡鱗돨뒀뮬廬돨붤景깎,렷끽毆뻑劍쳬。

댐쵠갛(Damien):乖돨緞捲제관윅빈툉옹稜있,寧듐듐价空納버,獗《튄관므庫돨鬼뭍》(Skinny Puppy)뵨《품窟陋토》(Front Line Assembly)裂잚돨든섈儉,鹿섟《품窟242》,PouppeeFabrikk뵨Nitzer Ebb裂잚돨EBM。

찢옹랑:乖훰槨宅乖쳬쏨쵱젬溝돨角댐뤼。

聾쟌輿:乖쳬떼갖댐뤼。乖鬼돨珂빅Xymox(Xymox角윱菱뵐읊돨든綾있뚠)瞳붤낀寧뙈珂쇌緞捲乖。瞳컸裂품,乖촬죄쏜橄。瞳乖돨稜있欺叫퍅쇌,乖肝돕뮴듕稜있뵨얽却있돨緞捲。빈윱乖쒔저죄찻낀돨EBM쌓뙈。

乖鬧雷돕퀭돨뒤寧蠟淚서櫓稜있루목角섐숌든綾(minimal),뎃角君瞳돨퀭綠쒔쏵흙죄君덜붚갠돨옰세稜있루목(dark techno)。

聾쟌輿:角돨,寧역迦乖쳬뇹黨섐숌든綾쌓뙈。踞淪珂쇌돨股盧,稜있랙죄긴뺏,乖붤봤펜苟寧蠟淚서삔랙痂척。

Are you working on new stuff? 

Julia: We started working on new tracks, a remix project and a 7 inch single which we will release in summer. . 

퀭瞳桔씩劤땜鮫찐?

聾쟌輿(Julia):乖쳬唐역迦齡鱗劤혓커,寧몸살稜던뵨寧蠟7亶당돨데혓붚스,쉥瞳謳센랙契。

Most of your vocals are in French. There’s something about French and minimal wave, right?  

Julia: Yes, most are in French. I find it easier to sing in French than German but I can’t really say why. Maybe I’m not so critical when writing in French because it’s not as good as my German. We have about 70% French and 30% German lyrics and I think we will stick to those languages in the future as well. 

퀭돨댕뜩鑒훙떼角랬刀。 밑黨랬刀뵨섐숌寮屢,뚤찐?

聾쟌輿:角돨,댕뜩鑒떼角랬刀。乖랙君痰랬刀나멱궐痰돠刀나멱뫘휭弄,뎃角乖廬돨꼇콘綱槨痂척。冷冀乖瞳痰랬刀畇鱗珂꼇角붤鯨烱,凜槨劍꼇흔乖돨돠刀。 乖쳬댕獨唐70%돨랬刀뵨30%돨돠刀멱늦,乖훰槨쉥윱乖쳬冷삔솽넣賈痰侶硅刀喇。

What are your favourite topics when you write lyrics?

Julia: There’s no one specific topic in our lyrics. Sometimes they focus on club nights, lights, sounds – that feeling we all miss so much right now. Usually, the topic develops during the writing of a song. It’s a totally random development. At the beginning I usually sing random words and syllables and they make no sense. Then we get so used to those sounds and the text develops later. The good example is our song “Es versucht”. The lyrics didn’t make sense in the beginning and later it developed into a song about gaslighting.

긍畇멱늦珂,퀭離毆뻑돨寮痙角痂척?

聾쟌輿:乖쳬돨멱늦櫓청唐寧몸景땍돨寮痙。 唐珂儉쳬淚鬧黨얇있꼬裂拈,됐밟,稜-侶蘆먁얾흔쏟角乖쳬君瞳떼렷끽拳쿡돨。 繫끽,寮痙角瞳눼鱗멱혓珂랙嵐돨。 侶角供홍踞샙돨랙嵐。 寧역迦乖繫끽삔나踞샙돨데늦뵨稜쌘,뎃劍쳬봐轟雷屢。 횔빈,乖쳬構발죄侶硅稜,깻瞳鹿빈역랙죄匡굶。 붤봤돨절綾角乖쳬돨멱혓Es versucht。 멱늦寧역迦청唐雷屢,빈윱랙嵐냥寧看밑黨쌘폭돨멱혓。

What is your typical workflow when starting a new song?

Damien: Most of the time we start with a sequence. 

Michael: Then the three of us meet in our studio and we work together on the tracks. We start very simple, get very complex and then we strip it back. We start with a baseline and add drums, effects, automation.

Michael: The last things we do before the mix down are arpeggios, leads and final lyrics.

齡鱗劤멱珂듕謹돨묏鱗직넋角痂척?

댐쵠갛(Damien):댕뜩鑒珂빅,乖쳬닒寧몸埼죗역迦。

찢옹랑:횔빈乖쳬힛몸훙瞳묏鱗杆숨충,乖쳬寧폅클제。 乖쳬닒역迦렷끽숌데,긴돤렷끽릿憧,횔빈쉥페괆잼。 乖쳬닒됴稜窟역迦,깻警속뮬,槻벎,菱땡뺏관쭹。

찢옹랑:살稜裂품乖쳬狼隣돨離빈寧숭慤角택稜莉,寮稜뵨離老멱늦。

When you perform, do you have a lot of room for improvisation or do you use a backing track?

Michael: Usually, it’s a mixture. We’re always trying to do live editing of some kind and we’re always trying to build new versions for live which sound a bit harsher and more direct.

Julia: Light is a big part of our performance and we do it live, too.

Michael: And of course we use a lot of strobes.

깊蘿珂,퀭角뤠唐붤뜩섦菫蘿犁돨왕쇌,뻘角賈痰교쒼稜있?

찢옹랑:繫끽角살북돨。 乖쳬寧殮瞳끼桿쏵契캐蘆近駕돨君끝긍서,깻할乖쳬寧殮瞳끼桿槨君끝齡鱗劤경굶,桂폅윱慨빎뫘속옥옻뵨殮쌈。

聾쟌輿(Julia):밟角乖쳬깊蘿돨路狼莉냥꼬롸,乖쳬冷狼隣돕侶寧듐。

찢옹랑:뎠횔,乖쳬狼痰붤뜩됐。

What is the most surreal situation you encountered on your tour?

Julia: Our second gig was in a nice festival on a farm in the middle of nowhere. It was very underground and very special with a lot of people from all around of Europe. It was an industrial festival and we were the only wave/EBM band. 

The backstage was in the cellar of the house. It had two entries on both sides with stairs. The catering buffet was on the one side, and some beds for the bands on the other. Damien’s tent was just outside.

Damien: They only had children’s tents and I slept with my feet out. Around 3 am someone peed on it!

Julia: Later on, an older EMB/punk guy, who was on too much drugs and alcohol entered the backstage and almost fell on my bed and I pushed him to the other side of the room. Then he decided that the buffet would be a great bed. The table with all the food collapsed, bottles broke and the food fell down. He slept there between butter, pulled beer and other food. Unfortunately, I didn’t take a picture.

Michael: I slept next to an Italian industrial guy, Enrico, and we both woke up when the guy on the table was snoring and i can remember Julia saying „is this rockstar life?“ and Enrico answering: “yes, just much less paid.” 

(everybody laughs)

您在旅游中遇到的最现实的情况是什么?

聾쟌輿:乖쳬돨뒤랗끝蘿놔角瞳寧몸찾찾뼛柰櫓돨寧몸크끝쟁앨契돨寧몸쌘휑。 劍角렷끽뒈苟돨,宅윱菱킹碌몹뒈돨冀뜩훙렷끽景깎。 侶角寧몸묏撚稜있쌘,乖쳬角顆寧돨wave / EBM있뚠。

빈憩瞳렛綾돨뒈싼쟁。 劍돨좃꿋떼唐좃몸던짜炅돨흙왯。 꽜匿菱燎꽜瞳寧꿋,쥼寧꿋橙槨있뚠瓊묩寧硅눠팟。 댐쵠갛돨琅퇸앎瞳棍충。

댐쵠갛(Damien):儉쳬怜唐뭘鬼벚賈痰돨컸蘆琅퇸,乖훙慷淪죄,신瞳棍충。 쥡냄3듐璘塘唐훙瞳충힁쿱!

聾쟌輿(Julia):빈윱,寧몸쾨셩싹댕돨EMB /툉옹鬼삼綾,儉痰죄格뜩돨浪膠뵨아,쏵흙죄빈憩,뀌듐딨쭝瞳乖돨눠,乖겉儉股돕죄렛쇌돨쥼寧꿋。 횔빈儉훰槨菱燎꽜쉥角寧蠟붤곯돨눠。 戮綾돨杰唐稼膠떼돌桀죄,틸綾팎죄,稼膠딜죄苟윱。 儉瞳뼝答,퉤아뵨페儉稼膠裂쇌慷얾。 꼇妗돨角,乖청唐탠亮。

찢옹랑:乖慷瞳雷댕적묏撚훙却람쟁옰텃긋,뎠戮돨컸몸훙댔빌珂乖쳬떼今죄,乖뻘션돤蓬쟌饑瞳綱“侶角納버츠槿돨삶찐?”,람쟁옰쀼댑:“角돨,헨위좽돌 。”

댕소떼揆죄)

Are you interested in provocation?

Julia: I was always interested in provocation. 

Michael: Provoking was much easier back in a day. When you hear old Throbbing Gristle albums you can hear the provocation in their music. The contemporary stuff doesn’t have that core provocation. Provocation with contemporary bands is really, really difficult. 

There’s sonic provocation as well. You can experiment with the structure of songs, unexpected turns as well as unusual sound design. Your aggressive kick drum is still a form of provocation because people are still used to the polite 909 and 808. 

Julia: One form of provocation is the unexpected switch that we made from Waveclash to Christophe-Philippe. We were sure that we would lose some old gothic wave fans. It wasn’t meant as a provocation but we really stand by our ideas. We produce and don’t think too much about how some people might like it or not. 

I also like to provoke about gender stereotypes. I grew up in a very small village with two brothers. I like to push those boundaries with everything I do, with how I look and with what I say. 

Damien: I think maybe our band name provokes as well.

퀭뚤鯨根먁菫혹찐?

聾쟌輿:乖寧殮뚤鯨根먁菫혹。

찢옹랑:鯨폅寧莖윱휭弄돤뜩。뎠퀭桂돕Throbbing Gristle돨일나튬珂,퀭삔桂돕儉쳬稜있櫓돨鯨根。뎠덜돨땜鮫청唐컸蘆뵙懃돨鯨根。宅뎠덜있뚠돨鯨根廬돨렷끽위켜。

뻘唐稜鯨根。퀭옵鹿끼桿멱혓돨써뭐,雷棍돨瘻琨鹿섟嫩끽돨稜셕。샴쏵돨璟뮬휄횔角鯨根돨寧蘆近駕,凜槨훙쳬휄횔構발黨쟉챵돨909뵨80。

聾쟌輿:鯨根돨寧蘆近駕角乖쳬닒Waveclash돕Christophe-Philippe돨雷棍瘻긴。乖쳬횅斤乖쳬삔呵혼寧硅앉돨며景駕꺼읫촬。侶깻꼇角鯨根,뎃乖쳬횅茄솽넣菱성돨拳랬。乖쳬齡鱗깻할뚤캐硅훙옵콘삔毆뻑샀꼇毆뻑돨땜鮫청唐옘쪄格뜩。

乖冷拳鯨꺅昑깎땍謹밖쿡。乖瞳寧몸붤鬼돨닷鏤낀댕,唐좃몸琴뒬。乖毆뻑痰菱성杰隣돨寧학,菱성돨棍깊뵨綱뺐윱敲팎侶硅썹掘。

댐쵠갛:乖拳冷冀乖쳬돨있뚠츰俚冷붤럽턺。

Where does it come from? It sounds a bit sinister.

Julia: It is a street in Paris. I was there as a child sometimes with my parents. I was raised bilingual and I was disturbed by the name as a kid. It sounded hard and I didn’t understand the meaning. I didn’t know why it was called that and I didn’t ask. When we looked for a name for a band that’s a bit provocative I remembered that name and metro station. The first thing we did is to check if the name is politically correct.

Michael: We’ve had to say many times: no, we are not a Nazi band. 

Julia: Nobody from the scene asked about the name but my colleagues did. They don’t know about the scene and other bands with provocative names. In this scene nobody is shocked, but outside we have to answer many questions. Christophe-Philippe Oberkampf was a German who moved to France in the eighteenth century and he created a specific type of cloth. My grandmother was a tailor and she used that material as well. So it’s a combination of my personal history and German-French sounding name that is a bit provocative.

劍닒부랍윱?桂폅윱唐듐麴띳。

聾쟌輿:侶角것잭돨寧係쌍。乖鬼珂빅唐珂뵨만캡瞳寧폅。乖낀댕빈삔綱崗刀,鬼珂빅굳侶몸츰俚위훅。桂폅윱붤켜,乖桂꼇땠雷鋼。乖꼇列돛槨痂척싻劍,冷청唐狂。뎠乖쳬槨寧몸唐듐鯨根돨있뚠璣冷寧몸츰俚珂,乖션돤컸몸츰俚뵨뒈屆籃。乖쳬狼隣돨뒤寧숭慤角쇱꿴츰냔瞳漣撈角뤠攣횅。

찢옹랑:乖쳬꼇돤꼇綱붤뜩깁:꼇,乖쳬꼇角케닳있뚠。

聾쟌輿(Julia):君끝청훙狂侶몸츰俚,뎃乖돨谿慤狂죄。儉쳬꼇죄썩君끝鹿섟페儉던唐鯨根昑츰俚돨있뚠。瞳侶몸끝쒼櫓,청唐훙먁돕驢쑵,뎃角瞳棍충,乖쳬극伎쀼댑冀뜩狂痙。옹쟁薑辜뤼·렵적팹·걔껍엾팹(Christophe-Philippe Oberkampf)角寧貫돠벌훙,儉瞳18各셩盧앙랬벌,깻눼芚죄寧蘆景喝돨꼈죕。乖돨籬캡角꼴룹,劒冷賈痰죄侶蘆꼼죕。凜늪,侶角乖돨몸훙저袈뵨돠刀-랬刀랙稜돨써북,侶파야폘랙昑。

It’s nice to wake up people for a moment so they can ask: wait a moment, what is this?

Julia: Yes, I wanted to create that moment of “wait, what?” that I had as a child.

Michael: Maybe it’s time for provoking in the music again, like in the nineties when bands like Genocide Organ burned an American flag on stage. It’s time to find another way for doing something like this. Maybe… go out without a mask and hold hands with three people. 

(everybody laughs again)

붤멕菫싻今훙쳬寧삔랏,鹿긱儉쳬狂:된寧苟,侶角痂척?

聾쟌輿:角돨,乖拳눼芚寧몸“된덤,痂척?”돨珂옻。 乖鬼珂빅돨珂빅侶湳拳。

찢옹랑:冷冀角珂빅疼늴샴폅稜있죄,앎獗90쾨덜獗蘆痢췻없루핵裂잚돨있뚠瞳校憩딜寧충쳄벌벌펴寧湳。 角珂빅冷돕쥼寧蘆렘랬윱隣侶湳돨慤헙죄。 冷冀〜〜꼇덖왯倆놔혼,宅힛몸훙壞癎。

(댕소疼늴댕揆)

Do you do live streams like some people these days?

Julia: We have a contribution for the Young and Cold Festival in May. We have a new video and a new live video. We’re not sure if streaming works for our live concerts. Maybe we will do it if we don’t have a chance to play live this year. 

Damien: In my world that doesn’t make sense. 

Michael: There are bands for which it suits to stand in a living room and play but our live performance isn’t going to work in a living room. We need the audience for our show, it’s not the same in front of a camera.

Julia: It would look ridiculous to put our light pyramid and strobes in a living room. 

So, you’ll make a lot of music instead.

Julia: Yes, a lot of music, videos and cooperations with other artists. We have a lot of time now.

Michael: We have many gigs that are canceled or postponed due to Corona and that’s bad. But now we have time instead of stress of playing almost every weekend. We might play in November or December but we don’t know yet.

这些天您是否像某些人一样直播?

聾쟌輿(Julia):乖쳬쉥槨5墩돨행쾨뵨벽잤쌘隣놔묽窘。乖쳬唐寧몸劤柬틉뵨寧몸劤殮꺄柬틉。乖쳬꼇횅땍직駕눈渴角뤠刊痰黨乖쳬돨君끝稜있삔。흔벎쏟쾨청唐샙삔君끝蘿놔,冷冀乖쳬삔隣。

댐쵠갛:瞳乖돨各썹쟁,侶봐轟雷屢。

찢옹랑:唐硅있뚠刊북瞳와戒쟁籃淪鯤,뎃角乖쳬돨君끝깊蘿꼇삔瞳와戒쟁겯。乖쳬矜狼밖露윱밖였乖쳬돨쌘커,瞳쓸庫품깻꼇寧湳。

聾쟌輿:겉乖쳬돨쏜俚檢뵨틉됐렴瞳와戒쟁였폅윱붤옵揆。

凜늪,퀭삔齡鱗붤뜩稜있。

聾쟌輿:角돨,붤뜩稜있,柬틉鹿섟宅페儉論減소돨북鱗。乖쳬君瞳唐붤뜩珂쇌。

찢옹랑:譚黨磊헙,乖쳬唐붤뜩蘿놔굳혤句샀股넨,侶붤痘멤。뎃角君瞳乖쳬唐죄珂쇌,섯빎첼몸鷺칫떼청唐蘿놔돨箕제。乖쳬옵콘삔瞳11墩샀12墩꽝속蘿놔,뎃乖쳬뻘꼇列돛야竟돨珂쇌。

Do you like the current mix between goth and techno scene?

Michael: Yes, it’s like stuff on Aufnahme + Wiedergabe. What techno brings to the goth scene that was missing is some sort of structure and cleanliness. That is the chilling factor, when you have this dark surrounding and techno brings the structure in it. 

퀭角뤠毆뻑며景뵨Techno끝쒼裂쇌돨뎠품莉북?

맴씐돨稜。 侶角즈훙꼇벽랍쟘돨凜羹,뎠퀭뇹黨侶蘆붚갠돨뻔쓱櫓깻할techno쉥써뭐多흙페櫓珂。

Credits:

photo by keyi.eu & interview by Involucija.org

artists : Rue Oberkampf

Clothing : Pat Guzik , Impopsible , Zlism , Berlin Bunny, Fuenf by Musina,  Quadrat, The Publisher. CICI TIARA, Syntetika, The concept Store, Mykita

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